Urgent Question

How is one to proceed within role playing when another charcter wipes history out and tries to re-write it completely?

...and also when they speak to people in the south of England whilst simultaneously being in Scotland in the 1500s with no concorde, telephones or powers of teleportation?

Eliz R.

Grrr, you suck. Well, I just wanted ot change the story a little bit. What's the fun playing someone who's locked up all the time?

Also, you should re-act how your character would act.

Need I remind you that this is role-playing! Nicholas and Marie never fell in love, Elizabeth and MArie never met, Half these people weren't alive at the same time! Just trying to have fun here ... sorrrrrrrree!

If you don't want to play someone who's locked up and powerless by their own doing then don't choose to play Marie Stuart. The confines come within the role itself, do they not?

My character would have your head severed from it's body and your role playing come to an abrupt end, but as thou art a most enjoyable sparring partner when playing the game properly I would find that no fun.

There's lots of gaps - days, weeks, months, years - missing from the history books as regards our characters. We can play with those very easily and insert whatever we like within them.

...for instance, if I wanted my character to do something completely insane that didn't fit in with history I'd set it during the time of Elizabeth's confinement and near death and have her ministers conjure up her illness to explain away her absence from court.

I know. But half her life was spent in prison, half was spent free, as far as I know Elizabeth didn't lock up Marie as she came out of the womb. And I didn't want to have 2 different fantasies-times going at the same time. As far as the escape goes, nothing I mentioned (the bribing gaurd, her popularity, the rising of the North) was THAT improbable. If Mary hadn't been an IMBECILE it could very well have happened.


And I had planned that the original plan would re-assert itself eventually, that Mary would come to be imprisoned again, and it would continue on. I hope I didn't mess up the game for you.

I have no idea what REALLY happen, sorry they dont teach us much over here really in reguards to English history. So I am slightly confused .... but still having fun lol Can we work out something that makes everyone happy

Poor nicky cant make up his mind until I figure out whats happening lol

Hmmm... within the confines of history, Marie could of course escape and lead a troop of supporters up to Scotland with a view to re-claiming her throne. She could battle to take over certain lands and estates and kill various Lords who hath worked against her.

But the throne remains in the hands of her son. And she can't stand in England and say she's in Scotland. She can send correspondance of course.

I'm sure Sir Nicholas would be there to ensure Marie isn't killed as the battles rage on.

...but eventually many of her supporters will be killed, her life will be in grave danger and she will have to flee to Elizabeth's realm once more to escape death at the hands of her own subjects. According to the history books.

Wilt that do?

I expect that Elizabeth would no wish her win this battle but woul;d not wish her dead either. As she objected to paying for many other wars she would heavily object to supplying troops to kill her own cousin in the name of that woman's son. But she is wise and may come up with ways of protecting James's place on the thone while simultaneously ensuring that Marie is not murdered.

ah I see .... so perhaps Elizabeth could let Nicholas leave and still keep his honor? If he leaves with out her consent, it would make him a traitor right?

He wants to follow Marie but he has this strong sense of honor to his Country, not to mention his friendship with Elizabeth. Poor guy is stuck lol

If he rides with Marie to reclaim her throne and then openly fight against England Elizabeth will see it fit to declare him a treasonous scoundrel... and therefore have his head.

However, she wudst not see Marie murdered for naught but a will for the throne she has right to (Scotland... she can't have England til Elizabeth is dead, though she is naturally next in line after Elizabeth) and the chance to see her son again. So I believe Elizabeth would encourage him - with her blessing- to rush after her and protect her. But she'll make it clear that the moment he supports those who wish Elizabeth or James dead he's had it. Bigtime. She's been his friend and protector long enough to know how to kill a vampire and will let *nothing* get in the way of protecting her people from outright civil war, public burnings of Protestants and the spanish inquisition.

Understood ... I shall warn him properly but he is given to passion and Marie has quite a hold on him lol

...as is Elizabeth. She despises outright defiance and will have him hunted down with all the powers of hellfire if he goes without her word.

However if he allowed himself captured and reprimanded, after some incarceration Elizabeth may allow him to plead mercy and forgiveness.

Otherwise Cacil, Walsingham, Raleigh, Drake et al will be after him and Marie with murder in mind. ...and with Elizabeth's sweet words to her dear little Frog the Duc D'Anjou I think Marie's ex-inlaws along with the evil Medici witch may come for her too.

True to character I have many plans for most outcomes.

I see hehehehehe

Well he will certainly have to make his descion carefully

See, not sooo bad! But what about the Scottish people? Mary actually did become more popular after Moray's assassination. And the Prince was just a boy.

um ... well I shud like to offer my assistance but um ... I have not a clue.

However Sir Nicholas is ready to spring his lady love my the castle I believe and make away with her lol

You are Marie of Scotland. I will let you choose whether or not she would try to oust her own child off the throne.

The Scottish people who do not resent a French Queen with little knowledge of their ways, are not protestants and weren't killed in the battles that raged after the Bothwell marriage would indeed support a grown and rightful Queen over a small boy.

...but I think the scottish lords who are far more intelligent and who govern the land will be highly unimpressed to see the Queen that inflicted them with Darnley, caused outright war in their land, paid little attention to it's govern and then ran to England to save herself.

You are witty enough to argue like an equal with Elizabeth, so I guess you could find a way to manage without those who understand how to rule your country.

Elizbaeth would advise an alliance with a fellow Prince who could advise you upon matters of state as a true friend. King Philip of Spain would do so, but watch he doesn't invade your land or steal your throne! This would of course turn the French against you. You will have to learn to keep all Prince's close but not close enough that it enrages the others like Elizabeth did.

..if Marie gets stuck in something that would not endanger Elizabeth's throne I suggest she or Nicholas correspond with the neighbouring Queen for advice. Elizabeth wants peace afore all else and never wished for the crown of Scotland for herself, so she would advise well.

on a side note "Elizabeth" I would assume that our matter in the tower with Lady Woodville will not be effected by these turn of events and we can assume those happening transpire before this?

I am enjoying the tower thing and dont want to muck it up lol I want to see how it turns out

I agree with you (God, your smart). But also, I think you really give Marie a hard rap. She wasn't so terrible. She made mistakes, and compared ot her Elizabeth looks like George Washington mixed with Louis XIV, but she had several successes. This will be hard, btu it is only role-playing and should not be taken so seriously.

I should jolly well hope so 'Nicholas'. If I don't get my proper visit to the tower of London as Queen Elizabeth then I shall take my bat and ball home and chop *everyone's* head off!!!!!!

*curtsies afore Marie* Thank-you. Elizabeth is my idol. I value intelligence and knowledge as she did... but also take her rule of England overly seriously as she did. I'll stomp on anyone who openly defies her.

...and I do have great sympathy for Mary Queen of Scots. I think she would have had a wonderful life as Queen of France but her happiness was torn from her. She was quick witted, beautiful and had the firey determination to match Elizabeth's... but she made some supremely crappy decisions, kept endangering everyone's lives as well as her own and then went around playing the 'poor me' card and expecting other people to rescue her. That kind of pisses me off a bit.

Elizabeth's life was supremely dreadful all round but she pulled herself together and tried to make things as best as she could for everyone (often giving up what she wished for to achieve it). So if I'd been around when Marie Stuart were trying to have Elizabeth killed I'd have punched her in the nose, Queen or no Queen!

If I were playing an English subject in this and not Elizabeth herself I'd very likely have had myself sent to the Tower for trying to assasinate Mary Queen of Scots just to save Elizabeth the trouble.

*laughs* .... that might have been intresting ... perhaps you should have played a normal character as well


oh and I think you are quite obsessed with choping people's head off ... for a moment I thought I had stumbled into wonderland and stood before the Queen of Hearts lol

My LORD "Elizabeth" you are awesome! Elizabeth was a survivor, and the LUCK! My God, I cannto believe it. She escaped from everything.

If Marie had had an advisor half as good or loyal as Cecil she would have been fine, I think.

It's outrageously hard work being as intelligent as Elizabeth. Trying to master that and Little Edward's spelling is more than I should have bitten off to start with!

...and whom do you think Wonderland's "Queen of Hearts" were based on then, hmmmm?!

I know! I keep wondering, you were starting to actually intimidate me a little bit, lol. You are perfect as her though, really.

*smiles innocently and bats lashes*

...if Marie had kept her head and yet managed to outlive Elizabeth without being responsible for her death then Cecil *would* have been her advisor when she inherited the throne of England. Cecil was loyal only to the true ruler of England and had served Mary Tudor well before Elizabeth. ...though he found her a bit weepy willowy and insane as regards all things Philip of Spain. That must have really done his head in.

Personally I'd have told Mary Tudor that Philip wasn't worthy of her, was a cruel faithless being and that she should encourage him to stay in Spain as much as possible and take a lover. LOL!

You will find that I am as helpful as I am intimidating, depending on which side of me you're on.

I truly believe that Elizabeth would have loved nothing more but to have had a neighbouring friendly Queen Regent. And for her to be family too would have been beyond her wildest dreams.

If Marie had been educated to be Queen Regent instead of Queen Consort those two workin together could have smashed the Kings of Europe to smithereens and a lot of the wars of 'religion' with them.